Is ETH Gas or Sound Money? w/Camila Russo

On Ep. 88 of Infinite Jungle, Christine interviews Camila Russo, the founder of The Defiant and author of The Infinite Machine. Christine speaks with Camila about how she started The Defiant, a news site that specializes in covering major developments in decentralized finance and on-chain activity. Christine also speaks with Camila about her views on Ethereum’s value and recent organizational changes in the Ethereum Foundation. Christine and Camila discuss concerns about Ethereum’s rollup-centric roadmap and the value accrual mechanisms for ETH considering the migration of user activity to L2s.

Guest:

Name: Camila Russo

Title: The Founder of The Defiant and Author of The Infinite Machine

X: https://x.com/CamiRusso

Show note links:

• The Defiant (https://thedefiant.io/)
• The Infinite Machine (https://www.amazon.com/Infinite-Machine-Crypto-hackers-Building-Internet-ebook/dp/B07X8HS2WC)

Timestamps:

(00:00:56) The Defiant is independently owned

(00:03:39) How the Defiant is going on-chain

(00:10:23) Cami’s ETHDenver 2025 takeaways

(00:18:32) Ethereum’s two main problems

(00:31:01) The most promising Ethereum competitors

(00:39:03) Why ETH is gas or sound money but not both

(00:43:26) Cami’s take on recent changes in the EF

This episode was recorded on Friday, March 14, 2025.

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